Melissa Harris-Perry is more scared of the police than she is of ISIS or Ebola.

During an MSNBC panel discussion about people “losing faith” in community, Harris-Perry said she feels “more terror” when she sees “blue lights” than when she thinks about Ebola or ISIS:

“Like, it feels to me like — and it could be not blue lights coming for me, but just anywhere on the street. I feel like, ‘OK. Please God, don’t make me have to interact here.’”